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		<title>By: ;-)</title>
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		<dc:creator>;-)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 02:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Paul, a lot of people are confusing grade separation with heavy rail.  The West Coast Express is heavy rail.

The original Canada Line proposal was to have it elevated Kind Edward South, not at-grade as the high train frequency would mess up cross traffic too much.

The Heritage Boulevard group insisted it be underground to preserve trees.

Richmond Mayor and nearly all of council wanted it at-grade.... until they got a reality check of where the cross streets would be.... I think it was Westminster, Alderbridge, and Bridgeport.  With the 99 Richmond Bus Only lanes traffic disaster, council and mayor changed their votes to avoid worsening No 3 traffic.

As mentioned in another thread, the UBC line has many residents wanting a full tunnel to preserve the street ambience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Paul, a lot of people are confusing grade separation with heavy rail.  The West Coast Express is heavy rail.</p>
<p>The original Canada Line proposal was to have it elevated Kind Edward South, not at-grade as the high train frequency would mess up cross traffic too much.</p>
<p>The Heritage Boulevard group insisted it be underground to preserve trees.</p>
<p>Richmond Mayor and nearly all of council wanted it at-grade&#8230;. until they got a reality check of where the cross streets would be&#8230;. I think it was Westminster, Alderbridge, and Bridgeport.  With the 99 Richmond Bus Only lanes traffic disaster, council and mayor changed their votes to avoid worsening No 3 traffic.</p>
<p>As mentioned in another thread, the UBC line has many residents wanting a full tunnel to preserve the street ambience.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob

The Canada Line is a LRT Line and not heavy rail.  The only addition is that it is completely underground in the City of Vancouver.  

Politically there was no chance of this line ever being at surface level when it went through Vancouver.  To many nimbies didn&#039;t want to see it. So it was put underground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob</p>
<p>The Canada Line is a LRT Line and not heavy rail.  The only addition is that it is completely underground in the City of Vancouver.  </p>
<p>Politically there was no chance of this line ever being at surface level when it went through Vancouver.  To many nimbies didn&#8217;t want to see it. So it was put underground.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Louy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Louy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 04:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to believe that the Canada Line would have been better as a Light Rail Line. Surface Transit has important benefits including: superior access to Streetscape, superior exposure of Storefronts to potential customers (the transit passenger), (and as a result of the last benefits) the growth and establishment of walk-in type businesses. Not to mention the exciting journey and views Transit Riders experience as they travel through neighbourhoods, instead of in a boring tunnel underground. 

Had LRT been used for Canada Line, it would be much easier and affordable to extend the line, since heavy rail has limited and expensive alignment options. 

I suppose that the reason for heavy rail would be to provide adequate capacity. But then, why are the trains and stations so short? I&#039;ve seen Light Rail stations and trains longer than the Canada Line stations. 

What do you think of these points? Could there be other reasons besides capacity why heavy rail was chosen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to believe that the Canada Line would have been better as a Light Rail Line. Surface Transit has important benefits including: superior access to Streetscape, superior exposure of Storefronts to potential customers (the transit passenger), (and as a result of the last benefits) the growth and establishment of walk-in type businesses. Not to mention the exciting journey and views Transit Riders experience as they travel through neighbourhoods, instead of in a boring tunnel underground. </p>
<p>Had LRT been used for Canada Line, it would be much easier and affordable to extend the line, since heavy rail has limited and expensive alignment options. </p>
<p>I suppose that the reason for heavy rail would be to provide adequate capacity. But then, why are the trains and stations so short? I&#8217;ve seen Light Rail stations and trains longer than the Canada Line stations. </p>
<p>What do you think of these points? Could there be other reasons besides capacity why heavy rail was chosen?</p>
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		<title>By: Anticipating the September transit service changes &#171; rickie rambles randomly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anticipating the September transit service changes &#171; rickie rambles randomly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] September 2009 in Transit &#124; Tags: bus routes, translink    Buzzer Blog post summarizing the changes (and this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently the Canada Line trip with the 98b is ok except in the evening from Waterfront to Richmond.  The trains are already getting overcrowded causing poor behaviour from passengers fighting to get to seats and so on.  Due to the rudeness of people on the Waterfront -&gt; Richmond service I travel on YVR bound trains only.

So, if crowding gets worse as a result of bus changes I assume translink will consider increasing the number of Canada Line trains?  I hope so as the 98b was like a cattle truck and we don&#039;t need this for the Canada Line thanks very much!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently the Canada Line trip with the 98b is ok except in the evening from Waterfront to Richmond.  The trains are already getting overcrowded causing poor behaviour from passengers fighting to get to seats and so on.  Due to the rudeness of people on the Waterfront -&gt; Richmond service I travel on YVR bound trains only.</p>
<p>So, if crowding gets worse as a result of bus changes I assume translink will consider increasing the number of Canada Line trains?  I hope so as the 98b was like a cattle truck and we don&#8217;t need this for the Canada Line thanks very much!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sungsu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sungsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark D.,

If you get off at the 480 at 41st, you might as well just take the 10 downtown.  The 10 hardly stops between 41st and 16th, except at King Edward, at least outside of peak hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark D.,</p>
<p>If you get off at the 480 at 41st, you might as well just take the 10 downtown.  The 10 hardly stops between 41st and 16th, except at King Edward, at least outside of peak hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those people wanting SEMI Express SERVICE along Granville St. in Vancouver up to 41st Ave in order to get downtown; my advice is to use #480.

Frequency is greatly improved and using that bus will get you all the way down to 41st.

Private school students can transfer to a #10 local to King Ed for the schools there or commuters heading downtown can catch #43 over to Oakridge for C-Line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those people wanting SEMI Express SERVICE along Granville St. in Vancouver up to 41st Ave in order to get downtown; my advice is to use #480.</p>
<p>Frequency is greatly improved and using that bus will get you all the way down to 41st.</p>
<p>Private school students can transfer to a #10 local to King Ed for the schools there or commuters heading downtown can catch #43 over to Oakridge for C-Line.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the #19 Service, they are only cancelling the EXTRA seasonal &quot;Shuttle&quot; service between downtown and the park. The regular year round through service will continue as is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the #19 Service, they are only cancelling the EXTRA seasonal &#8220;Shuttle&#8221; service between downtown and the park. The regular year round through service will continue as is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new stops along Saba Road at Brighouse Station are just until the new bus loop is built on the cureent Scotiabank site...

Wish that the comment about the C89 seasonal service ending included the word EXTENTION! The route is NOT ending, just the seasonal EXTENTION to Centennial Beach...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new stops along Saba Road at Brighouse Station are just until the new bus loop is built on the cureent Scotiabank site&#8230;</p>
<p>Wish that the comment about the C89 seasonal service ending included the word EXTENTION! The route is NOT ending, just the seasonal EXTENTION to Centennial Beach&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jhenifer Pabillano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jhenifer Pabillano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy &amp; Tim Chen:

Good question re: B-Lines. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t really have a definite answer for you. I&#039;ve asked our planning staff, and putting in these services will completely depend on what kind of funding we will get in the future. The Mayors&#039; Council will be deciding on that funding come October 31 -- you can find out more about our funding/planning process and the options before the Council in &lt;a href=http://buzzer.translink.ca/index.php/2009/08/bepartoftheplan-update-the-final-consultation-report-and-the-10-year-transportation-plan/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this blog post&lt;/a&gt; or this &lt;a href=http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and-Projects/10-Year-Transportation-Plan.aspx rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;planning page&lt;/a&gt; on the main TransLink site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy &#038; Tim Chen:</p>
<p>Good question re: B-Lines. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t really have a definite answer for you. I&#8217;ve asked our planning staff, and putting in these services will completely depend on what kind of funding we will get in the future. The Mayors&#8217; Council will be deciding on that funding come October 31 &#8212; you can find out more about our funding/planning process and the options before the Council in <a href=http://buzzer.translink.ca/index.php/2009/08/bepartoftheplan-update-the-final-consultation-report-and-the-10-year-transportation-plan/ rel="nofollow">this blog post</a> or this <a href=http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and-Projects/10-Year-Transportation-Plan.aspx rel="nofollow">planning page</a> on the main TransLink site.</p>
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