Canada Line open house presentation boards are now online
March 3, 2009
Canada Line open house presentation boards are now online
March 3, 2009
Hey, the presentation boards from the eight Canada Line open houses in February are now online!
Visit the Canada Line Bus Integration page at the main TransLink site to see the boards, which are available as four separate PDFs.
The 10 boards show proposed changes to current bus routes, in order to integrate bus service with the Canada Line. Have a look and offer your feedback in the form on the Canada Line Bus Integration page.
For more info, you can also contact John Timms, Community Relations Officer at the Coast Mountain Bus Company: try him at 604-953-3251 or john.timms@coastmountainbus.com.
I think overall this is good.
Maybe CMBC could be tempted to continue non-stop coach service to downtown for the folks south of the Massey tunnel – but charge a higher fare – like the WCE. I have friends who are willing to pay almost double.
I know the private operator of the Canada Line will be concerned about ridership, but some of the revenue from the coach could be diverted to them if necessary.
Might make even more sense for WCE to operate the premium fare bus services – have all premium services under one branch. Lots of demand for CMBC buses elsewhere on the system.
I get a little misty-eye watching everything come together. Especially with the recent news that service might begin as early as August. Richmond and the West side has been waiting behind Surrey extensions, Millenium line, and WCE for service improvements across the Fraser for too long. The North Fraser bridges are a nightmare and the buses are stuck in that congeestion.
One thing that was at the open houses and missing on the website information links is the proposed East/West & Richmond feeder service frequency improvements. I’d like to see that information posted as well.
Hi Jhenifer,
I have a dumb question. Will the #15 return to being a trolley route?
Hi Josh, I’ve asked a planner at CMBC and the answer is no, the 15 will not return to being a trolley route — it will be a diesel bus instead. The City of Vancouver and TransLink decided several
years ago that trolley wire would not be reinstated on Cambie after Canada Line construction was completed.
I’m bummed that the route along Tenth Ave to UBC will not return to being called the #10. It’s a route number that was in use for most of the past. TransLink hinted last year that Canada Line integration would provide an opportunity to correct the situation.
I know it costs money to paint new signs and nostalgia isn’t a valid reason, but if there’s to be any sensible reason for using a particular number on a route it should be used. Tenth Ave is the only street with a valid claim on #10.
Granville was #20 and then became #8 and has since inherited #10 from Hastings. Hastings had been #14 almost forever and only became #10 when it was joined to the Tenth Ave route when the 34 was paired with the 16. So both Granville and Hastings have no legitimate claim on #10 which should be put on the UBC/Oak line. Hastings/Granville should go with 14 because it has more historical significance.
I know it makes map drawing more difficult, but I really liked the old system of using a different number for buses traveling in opposite directions on the same street. It was much harder to accidentally get on the wrong bus back then. From memory…
1 Beach
2 varied over the years. PNE Park and Ride used it for a while
3 Main
4 Fourth
5 Robson
6 Davie
7 Dunbar
8 Fraser
9 Broadway
10 Tenth/UBC
12 Powell
14 Hastings
15 Cambie
16 Arbutus
17 Oak
18 Renfrew
20 Granville
22 Knight/Macdonald
24 Nanaimo
34 Hastings Express
41 41st
42 Spanish Banks
44 Chancellor
49 49th
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Any chance we can get the detailed boards for each route posted to the website too?
Thanks
David from 9:20 p.m.: I don’t think so – I don’t think they’ve even done the detailed routes yet, because customer feedback is still rolling in on the bus integration plan.
Jennifer, the detailed route maps were available at the open houses along with information on anticipated frequencies. The public has already seen the proposed routes and frequencies at the open houses. So it would make sense to publish information on-line that many people have already seen. Remember, not everyone was able to attend the open houses.
Well, I stand corrected. I’ll ask the consultation team and see if there’s any plans to put those up.
So I’ve heard back and I’m told that detailed maps won’t be posted until we have the routings completely tied down, likely at the end of April.
David, you left off the Victoria. It’s certainly seen its share of numbers over the years. In the early 80s it was 20 Granville–25 Victoria, then 21 Victoria after the King Edward bus was introduced, then 20 Victoria when they converted to using the same number for both directions on the trolly routes.
I found this on the internet: though in all fairness this was written by myself 9 years ago. Interesting how the Fraser and Davie ended up switching numbers after all the changes over the years.
Let’s see, the “classic” lineup was
3 Main / 5 Robson
4 Fourth / 17 Oak
6 Fraser / 15 Cambie
7 Dunbar / 16 Renfrew (Daytime)
7 Dunbar / 14 Hastings (Nightime/Weekends (or Sunday only?))
8 Davie / 19 Kingsway
9 Broadway
10 Tenth / 14 Hastings (not a trolley route until mid-late 80s)
11 Stanley Park / 12 Powell or 24 Nanaimo
18 Arbutus / 34 Hastings Express (Daytime)
18 Arbutus / 16 Renfrew (Nightime/Weekends (or Sunday only?))
20 Granville / 25 Victoria
41 Forty First
7 Dunbar ran down Broadway, not 4th, in those days.
In the early 80s, they started tinkering, coming up with
4 Fourth / 24 Nanaimo
7 Dunbar / 12 Powell
6 Fraser / 8 Davie
11 Stanley Park / 19 Kingsway
15 Cambie (stand alone)
17 Oak (stand alone)
The 14 Hastings was served by both Electic Brills and Diesels in the evening, Brills originated from Dunbar Loop, and the diesels originated from Totem Park Residence. Similarly, the 41 was serviced by trolleys that ran between 41st/Crown and (the original) Joyce Loop as well as diesels that ran from UBC Loop out to Kingsway and Nelson in Bunaby. No Metrotown Loop in the early 80s… there was no Metrotown, just the Sears Catalogue Centre and an abandoned car plant.
I hadn’t actually intended my list to be complete, I was just throwing out some examples dug up from some distant corner of my memory. As I see I had Arbutus and Renfrew backwards.
When I was a child in the 1970’s I had a stack of old inventory cards some business had thrown out (no paper recycling back then) and made a point of writing down every bus number I saw and what name was attached to it. It was quite an amazing list that included all the suburban buses I saw when we were out in the car. I wish I still had them as a record of the way things used to be.
I remember snapping a photo of Blanca loop when I was 11 years old. I think there were 3 Brills on the inside track and two more on the outside lane. That’s proof that the 10/14 was being served by some Brills in the late 70’s. Almost immediately after that photo was taken the Flyer trolleys started replacing the Brills on the 4 Fourth and GM diesels completed their takeover of the 10. There had been diesels on the route for years, but they bore a special destination sign printed in yellow that read Tenth via University Blvd.
Soon they changed the 10 Tenth so it went all the way to UBC and eventually stopped calling at Blanca loop. For years people on the number 4 wanting to get to UBC had to get off at the loop and walk up Blanca to University Blvd.
There was definitely a time when eastbound buses on 10th Ave carried a Hastings Express destination sign. I don’t think that lasted very long, but I do remember it clearly.
Maybe I need my own blog ;)
Okay, Davids, that was a fascinating transit history lesson, actually :)
On a mildly related note, it’s pretty funny how many of you commenting are named either David or Don!
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Hi Jhenifer,
I understand that a committee is currently preparing a report for translink on the subject of a proposed route to UBC from West Braodway and Alma. There are 2 options being considered:
A. Run new the “street level” trams (like they have in Portland Oregon) from Broadway up Alma to 10th, then along West 10th (past Crown, Camosun, Courtenay, Discovery, Tolmie etc, all the way to UBC. This decision would require closing the street to vehicle traffic permanently as the street is too narrow for both trams and vehicles.
OR
B. Run a ground level system along 16th as it has a wider street with a boulevard, and can accomodate both vehicles and the new street level trams.
*Street level trams are being considered for both options as they are billions cheaper to build than skytrain, more esthetically pleasing to the neighbourhood, more cost effective to maintain, and would best be suited for the steep grade up the hills. They are also seen as a safer option for the public as there is a driver on each tram.
Although it will be at least 15-20 years before either system is installed, is there any word on when this report will be ready?
Thanks,
Ginger
Hi Ginger,
I asked around about the study and it’s a joint project between the City of Vancouver and TransLink. Check out this page at the City’s website — it has a pretty brief summary of the study so far, and provides contacts at both TransLink and the City who can likely answer your questions. Hope this helps!
I asked around about the study and it’s a joint project between the City of Vancouver and TransLink. Check out this page at the City’s website — it has a pretty brief summary of the study so far, and provides contacts at both TransLink and the City who can likely answer your questions. Hope this helps!