Take a sneak peek of TransLink’s new Mark V SkyTrain
Take a sneak peek of TransLink’s new Mark V SkyTrain
To meet the ever-growing needs of transit in Metro Vancouver, the SkyTrain fleet is expanding. We’re improving our existing fleet to include longer trains that can carry more passengers with even more amenities than ever before. Say hello to the Mark V SkyTrain!
In January 2019, we asked what you wanted to see inside the next generation of SkyTrain cars. You told us you wanted to see more seating choices and improved spaces for people using mobility devices, strollers, and bicycles.
You spoke, and we listened! Now, we’re excited to introduce you to the interior mock-up of the all-new Mark V SkyTrain! This design reflects what we heard through surveys and public engagement. And while the interior mock-up of the Mark V has been created to assist with the design process, it is a representation of what our future SkyTrain car might look like, rather than a replica of the final product.
What’s inside
The new Mark V cars will provide customers with a safe and comfortable experience on transit. You told us you like the design of Mark III cars, so the Mark V cars will look very similar. They will include additional features, such as more flex space for bike racks and leaning pads. Primarily forward-facing seating with some perimeter seating incorporated, and improved on-train displays.
Accessibility for all of our customers is at the forefront of the design process. Paying special care that the new Mark Vs meet the guidelines of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) to provide ease of movement. The new interior information displays will provide transit alerts for customers onboard. New strip indicator lights at the doors will assist people who are deaf. As with our existing fleet, the Mark V’s will operate with door chimes and on-train announcements to assist customers who are blind or partially sighted.
The first new SkyTrain car is expected to arrive in 2023 for testing. We anticipate the full complement of vehicles in service by 2027.
Great to have new SkyTrain cars. Please tell me that washrooms will be built at all stations soon. The lack of basic facilities may be deterring many from using transit. Thank you.
We don’t need washrooms. More maintenance and work for those poor janitors with crummy wage.
As someone who’s disabled, yes we absolutely do need washrooms. Just make them only accessible by tapping in and out.
Absolutely we need washrooms, maybe not everyone, but for the ones that do Yes.
We should have people using the bathroom tap in using a Compass Card. No need to pay.
Correct me if I am incorrect, but the Compass card on its own is a paid product.
Crummy wages? The Skytrain janitor jobs start at 31.00 an hr, I’d kill for a job paying that well
They absolutely do not start at that rate
I think they are contracted out.
Your mad
Yes washroom!!!!
i agree more washrooms
I agree washrooms would be good. I like the compass card idea it helps keep a log of customers and keep the rif Raf out. Maybe a male attendant in the guys and a female in the females. It would be good to look into this.
You don’t ride the trains other than to work or school? There are many rif rafs that ride the trains and will vandalize the bathrooms.
If they put in washrooms, no one will use them because they will be vandalized. Every other subway system with washrooms in North america keeps closing them for this reason.
Why can Europe manage them, but here we cannot?
Europeans don’t poo… everyone knows that
Bathrooms will just become drug shooting galleries…
Europeans DO POOOOO!
You’re comparing North America with Europe. Completely different cultures.
In many parts of Europe, you pay money to enter a washroom at a public transit station. Usually something like 50 cents or so, depending on the country.
Yes, I was on a Bus tour and every rest stop you had to pay by putting money onto a machine that unlocked the door or to an attendant but we did stop at one place that had both free and paid. The free one had no toilet seats.
The derelicts will use them and abuse them
8th
so what
Mark V trains should be added to Millennium Line as well.
Grey: Expo Line
White: Millennium Line
The Mark V trains will be used on both Expo and Millennium Lines!
The train stations in Toronto have had washrooms even when I lived there 30 years ago! It is so much better, especially for people who are traveling long distances. It is a real pain to have to try to find some type of store to use the washroom. There have been times when I just don’t drink anything before I leave the house when I have to go on a long trip because there are no washrooms!
Well the long distance here isn’t the same as long distance there. Weren’t you ever told to go to bathroom before you leave? Taking the buses can be longer trips, do you think that those buses should have toilets too?
Europe washerooms are accessible only after payment by coin or cards.
Look at how many people hop the fare gates at skytrain stations – I don’t imagine it will be hard for drug addicts to do likewise to enter the washrooms to take drugs.
They will run to the door after you leave but make it into a self cleaning one. Once the person who didn’t pay goes in, the computer won’t know someone is in it. So, on goes the water and then the sanitizer spray and water again. That happened on an EU Bus Tour I was on. A girl who didn’t know she had to pay went in after her friend came out and then she started yelling and banging on the door. Finely when someone put money into the slot, was she able to exit and all soaking wet.
Thats illegal here
Are you sure you can find enough used drive-thru speakers for the trains? It’s important to keep the tradition of completely unintelligible announcements at each stop. Wouldn’t want to have the passengers actually be able to make out more than one word per announcement right?
Mike, you may want to have your hearing checked… I have impaired hearing, and I can think of very few times I’ve had trouble hearing an announcement… And the times I couldn’t, fellow passengers were to blame.
For the front seat, it’s good that it’s back – but wouldn’t that be too low for your attendants to be able to see what is in front? I always found the front seat on mk2s to be a bit too low to see personally
Can you please take over Metrolinx and the TTC. The Ontario transit system is now so far behind BC it’s like a bad joke.
Maybe it’s not going to happen. ??
The doors need to be in-wall sliding like the Canada Line rolling stock in order to limit chances of frozen doors (https://engagetranslink.ca/your-ideas/brainstormers/share-your-ideas-for-improving-transit/ideas/42212; Future new SkyTrain car design specifications). Such preventable potential incidents must be prevented by specifying the door design in the first place. If the Mark V final design has not been submitted yet, then the Mark V door design must be changed immediately to in-wall sliding like the Canada Line rolling stock.
The side passenger doors are perfect as they are. Having them operate within a door pocket creates additional body structure, increased carbody weight and reduced interior space. As designed they facilitate easier removal and replacement should they get damaged as well as working on the door operator itself. All Skytrains in Vancouver since day one have operated on this principle, why mess with success.
2027!?!?!
Yes, it seems absurd. Back when Victoria opened the first streetcar network in British Columbia – before good telecommunications, before easy shipping of large items, before all that – they ordered and received their first state-of-the-art streetcars within a few months.
Washroom is must needed facility, no need to make big room and stall inside, just need to make single person use, only one person can use at a time, If there is space for sleeping or hiding inside washroom, it wont work, keep hand wash area in public. make it small and simple to maintain,
Mark V? What happened to the Mark IV?
I was wondering the same about the “Mark V” vs “Mark IV” designation. On this matter, Wikipedia states: “In November 2021, it was revealed that the new trains would be designated as Mark V vehicles, with the Mark IV designation reserved for current Mark III cars which will receive minor upgrades.” but provides no valid citation.
These ones won’t bear the Bombardier name anymore either, with their having sold their rail division to French company Alstom.
Please replace Expo line first. It’s so old and outdated. I feel so bad about paying the same fare with those who use Canada line.
What’s wrong with the Expo line?
What’s wrong with you?
Canada Line is doodoo compared to the Expo Line.
wished the trains had nice soft seats like the uk and not hard ones here on the bus and skyrain when there is a new train i always look at the seats first but up to now the trains have all the same seats where in the bus you slide everywhere turning corners
The new Skytrain Cars look very nice
2027? That’s way too slow of an upgrade. Why does progress have to take so long? What’s worse is there seems to be no significant/transformational improvements. Not much to look forward to with this LONG wait. There’s no mention on whether the ride with be smoother and less noisy/ screechy. I’m really disappointed.
Um.. 2027 is the date when ALL of the new cars will be in service. They have to BUILD them! New cars start in service in 2023.
What I want to hear (!) Is that the new SkyTrain cars won’t damage your hearing if you’re in them for more than 15 minutes. :-)
The acoustic experience of riding in the Bombardier cars compared to the Rotem cars on the Canada Line is [sorry] appalling by comparison.
I love Translink service in general, but if you want your customers to feel valued you need to do something about the acoustic quality of SkyTrain cars (and the non-stop ‘crash/bang’ soundtrack of the New Flyer buses).
Love you Translink, but I think your customers deserve better!
Not enough seats now.
I agree with Rob, my chief complaint with existing Skytrain is how loud and high pitched the warning sounds are when doors are closing. Is it really necessary to damage our hearing? Could you please have these checked and modulated to a lower tone and volume?
I agree with that! The front shouldn’t just one seat as the two two seats are much better.
To Kam on Nov. 30
I remember a Stainless STEEL seat on a San Francisco bus
Looks great! Nice variety of seating + addition of leaning bars and places for bikes. You mention there is some perimeter seating? Whereabouts?
I was one that suggested that future SkyTrain cars should incorporate more perimeter seating (theoretically for more capacity) but I’ve had a change of heart. I think that when you account for people’s legs dangling into the aisle, plus their bags etc. (not to mention manspreaders), you don’t gain so much space after all.
Some perimeter seating may be worthwhile but I like that you’ve stayed with a mix of seating (+ standing) types.
P.S.: I’m happy that you’re getting as much useful life out of the Mark I’s as possible. (And when they do finally get retired, some Mark I’s could still probably make good de-icing trains.)
Great news about the new Mark V trains. I believe ridership will climb again post-pandemic, especially with good quality, well-maintained rolling stock and stations. It’s anybody’s guess whether ridership will ever top 500 million / year (we were close pre-COVID) but with automated trains high frequencies can be maintained with automated train control. Nonetheless, in 2019 I experienced 100 m trains arriving every 90 seconds during the afternoon rush hour on London’s District + Circle line, each train sweeping up hundreds of passengers pouring onto the platforms very efficiently. SkyTrain will help us get people out of cars more than anything else.
Yes to washrooms, but be intelligent about their placement and design. The cleanest public washrooms in London and Paris are placed at the highest travelled stations and areas off the main concourse, and come with a highly visible security both placed between the M and W entries, with security, custodial and roving transit personnel permanently available during operating hours. Active spaces are safer than those placed in the leftover, less visible spaces. Staffing costs money, but transit is way cheaper than building more and more roads.
Keep the mk 1’s In service or at least some of them they are still great trains our system needs that capacity Anyway they get the job done and still can for years to come especially with the refurbishment project people just want to hate because there not brand new they Are just fine plus you can actually tell they are running you know the motors are alive new trains are to quite im sure a lot of people know that unique sounds I’m talking about there awesome it can be done long as we keep getting new rolling stock to compensate
I’m sad they are removing mark 1 too. That sound it makes is nostalgic. I know it not 1 decimal loud but it’s not even that loud. It makes sure the passengers know the train is here for those who are wired up. And the build is classic too. Please just 5 or so (trains not cars) on the rolling stock please
YES, I agree with you, I’ve been doing a trip every Saturday to go the full route of the Expo line. I wait for an mk1 at the platform and i usually get the back window. The trains are in really good shape but people just want the newest. My idea is to keep the first 4 cars (001-004).